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TAMPA, Fla. (AP) August 4 - Chip Witte doesn’t consider himself a Rebel. He doesn’t hang Dixie battle flags in his living room, nor does he wear one on the back of his leather jacket.
Yet when the Tampa motorcycle mechanic saw the world’s largest Confederate battle flag unfurl above the intersection of I-10 and I-4 in June, he felt a jolt of solidarity with the lost cause and lost rights that he says the battle flag represents. “I think it’s great that they’re allowed to fly it,” says Mr. Witte.
Despite years of boycotts, schoolyard bans, and banishment from capitol domes, the Southern battle colors are flying, higher than ever.
Indeed, the Tampa Confederate Veterans Memorial and its 139-foot flagpole features one of at least four giant “soldier’s flags” flying over bumper-to-bumper interstates in Florida and Alabama. With more planned in Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky, and possibly South Carolina, the interstate show of force, experts say, highlights the potential backlash from banning nostalgic symbols from the public square.
Moreover, the giant flags are also the outward sign of a deeper struggle within the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV), a century-old organization historically more likely to hold battlefield reenactments than to stage political warfare.
What effect the flags will have on public perceptions and even tourism intensifies the issue as a political force here in the only part of the country to suffer the humiliation of total defeat.
The battle flag “is a profound statement … and the targets of our nerve-getting are the business community, the tourist community and the political community,” says Marion Lambert, the Brandon, Fla., beekeeper who spearheaded the Tampa flag monument.
Unlike the flags that were taken down from the capitol domes in Columbia, S.C. and Tallahassee, Fla., these new auto dealer-sized flags – sewn in China– may be legally untouchable. Raised on private property, the Tampa flag was OK’d by county zoning officials and the Federal Aviation Administration.
“It’s not going to go away,” says Jim Farmer, a history professor at the University of South Carolina at Aiken. “There is a subculture within the white Southern population, of which the SCV is the most visible voice, that feels besieged by modern culture in general, and they identify the Old South and Confederacy as a way of life and a period of time before the siege began to really hit the South.”
To Confederate sympathizers, opposition to the flag is misguided. They say the “soldier’s flag” represents not slavery, but the valor of Southern men in their lost cause.
As proof of the flag’s universality, SCV officials point to a tableau at the June 1 flag-raising ceremony in Tampa. As several older white men huffed trying to raise the 72-pound flag, two black men stepped in to finish the job.
“We have Indian, Hispanic, black, and white members of our camps, and if anyone espouses anything hateful or racewise, you’re gone [from the SCV],” says group historian Robert Gates.
Flag opponents say the real offense is that Southern governors raised the flags during the Civil Rights era as a provocative gesture against attempts to desegregate Southern schools.
“I consider myself a Southern gentleman, but I just feel bringing this up now, it represents a painful and a hurtful time, and I don’t think it’s necessary to hurt people to make a point,” says Hillsborough County Commissioner Al Higginbotham.
Partly in response to the beleaguered battle flag, the SCV has indeed become more politically active. A contingent of members called “the lunatics,” including Aryan Nation holdovers, have for the past six years vied for power against the old-guard “grannies,” according to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which investigates hate groups.
Yet under the current leadership of former Southern Partisan [a neo-Confederate magazine] editor Chris Sullivan, who is widely considered a moderate, the SCV can’t be considered a hate group, the SPLC has found.
“I think this is very likely to come back to bite them in the behind,” says Mark Potok, editor of the SPLC’s Intelligence Project in Montgomery, Ala.
“I don’t think seeing some gigantic Confederate flag convinces anyone that the Civil War was not about slavery and that the antebellum South was really a wonderful place where everybody got along,” says Mr. Potok.
But there’s some evidence that flag proponents have the wind at their back. An attempt last week to reenergize the flag boycott in South Carolina faltered at the NAACP, with one member concluding the effort had lost its steam. Moreover, the NCAA recently got flak from some newspapers for banning championship games in South Carolina and Mississippi, but not in Alabama, which also has Confederate regalia as part of its official symbols.
“A flag may be a simple piece of cloth, but it’s much more powerful than that,” says John Clark, a political science professor at Western Michigan University in Kalamazoo. “[And] if you start turning people away, you’re talking about a substantial investment in the local economy that’s going to disappear.”
Still, it’s not clear whether the flag is actually that sensitive a topic. The economic effect of NAACP and NCAA boycotts in South Carolina has been minimal, according to state officials.
More recently, a Florida newspaper poll revealed that few drivers found the Tampa flag offensive, which surprised many officials.
Just a few points from this Northern whitebread librul:
1. The flag in question here is NOT a “Southern” flag. It’s the battle flag of the Confederate States of America, states which seceded from the Union and rose in armed rebellion against same. It is a flag of sedition and treason, and, like it or not, this so-called “nostalgic symbol” has been usurped by hatemongers as a symbol of racism and hatred. Just like the swastika. For many of us, it can’t mean anything else.
2. If some people are feeling “besieged by modern culture in general,” and who “identify the Old South and Confederacy as a way of life and a period of time before the siege began to really hit the South,” perhaps they’d share with us exactly what it is about those good ol’ days in the land of cotton that they find so appealing? And what exactly does all this “besieging” look like? Specifically. Any takers?
3. Do you think there might be some connection between the new outbreak of Rebel flag flying and the fact that we may elect a black man as President this fall, a black man who many conservative white talk show hosts and pundits think of as being “arrogant,” which to me is just right-wing code for “ uppity“?
Just askin’.
4. Southern governors DID fly this flag as a way of flipping off the federal government - specifically the Supreme Court - after Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas in 1954. Once again, it became a symbol of rebellion; in this case, against the rule of law, as in the United States Constitution. Doesn’t that little historical tidbit mean anything to these folks?
Oh. Wait. Yes, I guess it does…
5. Look. You can fly this flag inside your own house if you want to, and you can fly it on your own property. You can have it on a sticker on the bumper of your pick-up truck. You can wave it at your Toby Keith concert. You can wear it on your wife-beater t-shirt, or embroidered on your underwear, or you can tattoo it on your behind quarters if that floats your boat. That’s indeed your right. All any of that does is tell me where your head is at, and that you probably wouldn’t like me much if you met me, no matter how hard we’d try to see the good in each other.
But if you fly it along a public highway, where ALL of us have to look at it, if you’re going to use a public space to put it out there in my face, y’all should expect that some people are going to complain.
Really loudly.
That includes me. Because that’s my right.
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That’s sad. If people in the south want the perception of them being backassed hicks to change, maybe they need to reconsider how they feel about that flag.
Free to be. Whatever. I get that.
But the people I know who still think it’s necessary to fly the Confederate flag epitomize everything that the people who claim the flag is a noble “harmless” bit of nostalgia are allegedly not promoting.
It makes no sense to me.
You said this using other words but - I mean defending a flag that was about secession and about DEFENDING slavery… The was valor in that?
Plus- really, war valor?
I was doing business in The Netherlands a few years back and walking down the street with store windows, what should I happen to see? Yep, the confederate flag. I asked some locals about it and apparently it’s a hot item. My heart sank. I’m from the South and I’ve known far too many rascists in my time and they all seemed have that damned flag , a car alarm that played Dixie and a rifle in their truck. I realize the kids in NL don’t understand why I despise that symbol so much and I sincerely hope they never do. It’s a symbol of a time when the worst form of structural violence was socially acceptable - it represents violence, period. And when people put it on their bodies, or on their vehicles they are often using it to intimidate blacks, to send them a message. When I see black people putting it on their trucks and waving it in parades, then I will say that this symbol has lost it’s power and they can put it where they want, but for now there’s only one place where I’d like to see them put it!
Geez, that is a depressing story. Especially when you think about how the Dutch suffered under the nazis.
I am most definitely from the South. I don’t want slaves. I don’t want the “good old days” - whatever those might be and I don’t think that they were all that great…there was no indoor plumbing. Most importantly, I do NOT want the history books erasing the fact that there were at one time a group of people who were willing to disagree completely with the government to the point of secession. There’s a lesson for all of us in that, and given the recent political turmoil, we need to be reminded that we don’t have to take the crap the government hands us. So if the only symbol we can come up with is the Confederate flag, so be it. That’s why I honk every time I pass the giant flag at I-4 and 75 and emit a very loud rebel YELL.
With all respect:
Your “symbol” stands for slavery.
Your “symbol” stands for sedition.
Your “symbol” belongs in the past, along with the swastika.
Wake up. Welcome to the 21st CENTURY.